1 00:00:05,740 --> 00:00:03,000 reading citizens and welcome to unknown 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:05,750 [Music] 3 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:06,370 [Applause] 4 00:00:27,350 --> 00:00:24,960 [Music] 5 00:00:29,780 --> 00:00:27,360 I'm Jason McClellan thanks for hanging 6 00:00:32,300 --> 00:00:29,790 out with me newly proposed legislation 7 00:00:34,460 --> 00:00:32,310 would require US intelligence agencies 8 00:00:37,340 --> 00:00:34,470 and the Department of Defense to 9 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:37,350 assemble a report providing a picture of 10 00:00:43,330 --> 00:00:40,710 the current UFO situation how would that 11 00:00:46,580 --> 00:00:43,340 work and what does that even mean 12 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:46,590 let's talk about it today 13 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:54,360 this story first grabbed my attention 14 00:00:59,260 --> 00:00:56,930 with a tweet posted by a political 15 00:01:02,500 --> 00:00:59,270 journalist Brian bender just after 11:00 16 00:01:05,110 --> 00:01:02,510 p.m. Pacific time on Monday June 22nd 17 00:01:06,970 --> 00:01:05,120 the tweet states quote Senate 18 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:06,980 Intelligence Committee wants a 19 00:01:13,690 --> 00:01:10,130 government-wide report in 180 days on 20 00:01:16,750 --> 00:01:13,700 UFOs or unidentified aerial phenomenon 21 00:01:20,140 --> 00:01:16,760 as they are now called and it wants it 22 00:01:23,230 --> 00:01:20,150 to be unclassified this is a big deal 23 00:01:26,980 --> 00:01:23,240 Congress stepping in to force unified 24 00:01:29,230 --> 00:01:26,990 and public reporting in quote this post 25 00:01:31,749 --> 00:01:29,240 included a photo showing a portion of 26 00:01:34,930 --> 00:01:31,759 the document the apparent source of what 27 00:01:37,300 --> 00:01:34,940 mr. bender was referring to at 11:42 28 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:37,310 p.m. he followed up that tweet with 29 00:01:42,310 --> 00:01:39,710 another this time with a link to the 30 00:01:45,100 --> 00:01:42,320 full document a Senate Intelligence 31 00:01:47,490 --> 00:01:45,110 Committee markup of the fiscal 2021 32 00:01:51,130 --> 00:01:47,500 intelligence authorization bill on 33 00:01:54,219 --> 00:01:51,140 Tuesday June 23rd to the stars Academy 34 00:01:56,669 --> 00:01:54,229 of Arts and Science or T TSA started 35 00:02:01,540 --> 00:01:56,679 tweeting about the story at 9:04 a.m. 36 00:02:04,029 --> 00:02:01,550 stating quote in May 2019 t TSA posted 37 00:02:06,999 --> 00:02:04,039 proposed draft language by Chris Mullin 38 00:02:09,279 --> 00:02:07,009 for Congress to take action and just 39 00:02:11,470 --> 00:02:09,289 last week the Senate Select Committee on 40 00:02:14,350 --> 00:02:11,480 Intelligence incorporated his 41 00:02:16,390 --> 00:02:14,360 long-standing suggestion to require the 42 00:02:19,510 --> 00:02:16,400 Intelligence Committee to do a full 43 00:02:22,660 --> 00:02:19,520 written unclassified assessment of the u 44 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:22,670 AP issue in quote Chris Mullin started 45 00:02:28,210 --> 00:02:25,730 tweeting about this as well at 9:25 a.m. 46 00:02:30,030 --> 00:02:28,220 he tweeted a link to the full document 47 00:02:32,110 --> 00:02:30,040 along with the message quote 48 00:02:33,910 --> 00:02:32,120 congratulations to the Senator Marco 49 00:02:36,580 --> 00:02:33,920 Rubio and the Senate Intelligence 50 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:36,590 Committee and staff for requiring the 51 00:02:41,830 --> 00:02:39,010 executive branch to at long last 52 00:02:44,050 --> 00:02:41,840 evaluate you ap in the interest of 53 00:02:47,230 --> 00:02:44,060 national security and our dedicated 54 00:02:49,180 --> 00:02:47,240 military personnel unquote Chris Mullin 55 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:49,190 is a former United States deputy 56 00:02:53,530 --> 00:02:51,050 assistant secretary of defense for 57 00:02:55,300 --> 00:02:53,540 intelligence and he currently serves as 58 00:02:57,580 --> 00:02:55,310 the chairman of the scientific and 59 00:02:59,260 --> 00:02:57,590 national security policy advisory board 60 00:03:02,020 --> 00:02:59,270 at to the stars Academy of Arts and 61 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:02,030 Science before Chris started posting on 62 00:03:06,010 --> 00:03:04,970 Twitter about this news Tom DeLonge tts 63 00:03:07,930 --> 00:03:06,020 A's co-founder 64 00:03:10,570 --> 00:03:07,940 was understandably excited by this news 65 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:10,580 and he tweeted quote to the stars has 66 00:03:15,010 --> 00:03:12,890 done it again Chris Mullin was able to 67 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:15,020 get unidentified aerial phenomenon 68 00:03:19,810 --> 00:03:17,510 language inserted into the Senate Select 69 00:03:22,510 --> 00:03:19,820 Committee on Intelligence Authorization 70 00:03:25,870 --> 00:03:22,520 Act for fiscal year 2021 end quote 71 00:03:28,630 --> 00:03:25,880 then at 11:13 a.m. Pacific still on 72 00:03:30,970 --> 00:03:28,640 Tuesday June 23rd Brian bender published 73 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:30,980 a story on Politico titled quote 74 00:03:36,820 --> 00:03:33,170 senators want the public to see the 75 00:03:38,710 --> 00:03:36,830 government's UFO reports in quote that 76 00:03:40,510 --> 00:03:38,720 started a stream of coverage for 77 00:03:41,350 --> 00:03:40,520 mainstream media outlets like Vice 78 00:03:44,110 --> 00:03:41,360 motherboard 79 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:44,120 the New York Post the DR Popular 80 00:03:49,450 --> 00:03:46,310 Mechanics and many others all around the 81 00:03:51,850 --> 00:03:49,460 world ok so that paints a little picture 82 00:03:53,770 --> 00:03:51,860 of this story unfolding now let's get 83 00:03:54,540 --> 00:03:53,780 into the document at the center of all 84 00:03:57,220 --> 00:03:54,550 this attention 85 00:04:00,130 --> 00:03:57,230 this draft intelligence Authorization 86 00:04:03,460 --> 00:04:00,140 Act for fiscal year 2021 was submitted 87 00:04:05,530 --> 00:04:03,470 by Senator Marco Rubio on June 17th on 88 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:05,540 behalf of the Senate Select Committee on 89 00:04:11,949 --> 00:04:08,330 Intelligence the bill contains a section 90 00:04:14,350 --> 00:04:11,959 titled advanced aerial threats here's 91 00:04:16,690 --> 00:04:14,360 what it says quote the committee 92 00:04:19,030 --> 00:04:16,700 supports the efforts of the unidentified 93 00:04:20,620 --> 00:04:19,040 aerial phenomenon task force at the 94 00:04:23,220 --> 00:04:20,630 Office of Naval Intelligence to 95 00:04:26,590 --> 00:04:23,230 standardize collection and reporting on 96 00:04:28,690 --> 00:04:26,600 unidentified aerial phenomenon any links 97 00:04:30,910 --> 00:04:28,700 they have to adverse aerial foreign 98 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:30,920 governments and the threat they pose to 99 00:04:36,460 --> 00:04:33,610 US military assets and installations 100 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:36,470 however the committee remains concerned 101 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:39,770 that there is no unified comprehensive 102 00:04:43,030 --> 00:04:41,510 process within the federal government 103 00:04:45,190 --> 00:04:43,040 for collecting and analyzing 104 00:04:47,890 --> 00:04:45,200 intelligence on unidentified aerial 105 00:04:50,590 --> 00:04:47,900 phenomena despite the potential threat 106 00:04:52,890 --> 00:04:50,600 the committee understands that the 107 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:52,900 relevant intelligence may be sensitive 108 00:04:57,550 --> 00:04:55,610 nevertheless the committee finds that 109 00:04:59,680 --> 00:04:57,560 the information sharing and coordination 110 00:05:02,530 --> 00:04:59,690 across the intelligence community has 111 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:02,540 been inconsistent and this issue has 112 00:05:07,390 --> 00:05:04,570 lacked attention from senior leaders 113 00:05:09,550 --> 00:05:07,400 therefore the committee directs the DNI 114 00:05:11,650 --> 00:05:09,560 in consultation with the Secretary of 115 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:11,660 Defense and the heads of such other 116 00:05:16,330 --> 00:05:13,970 agencies as the director and secretary 117 00:05:19,090 --> 00:05:16,340 jointly consider relevant to submit a 118 00:05:19,950 --> 00:05:19,100 report within 180 days of the date of 119 00:05:21,450 --> 00:05:19,960 enactment 120 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:21,460 the act to the congressional 121 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:23,050 intelligence and Armed Services 122 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:25,210 committee's on unidentified aerial 123 00:05:30,809 --> 00:05:28,210 phenomena also known as anomalous aerial 124 00:05:32,850 --> 00:05:30,819 vehicles including observed airborne 125 00:05:35,309 --> 00:05:32,860 objects that have not been identified 126 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:35,319 unquote the committee includes a list 127 00:05:40,230 --> 00:05:37,330 detailing exactly what they want 128 00:05:43,290 --> 00:05:40,240 included in the requested report number 129 00:05:45,390 --> 00:05:43,300 one a detailed analysis of unidentified 130 00:05:47,370 --> 00:05:45,400 aerial phenomena data and intelligence 131 00:05:49,740 --> 00:05:47,380 reporting collected or held by the 132 00:05:52,170 --> 00:05:49,750 Office of Naval Intelligence including 133 00:05:54,210 --> 00:05:52,180 data and intelligence reporting held by 134 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:54,220 the unidentified aerial phenomena task 135 00:06:00,740 --> 00:05:57,970 force number two a detailed analysis of 136 00:06:03,540 --> 00:06:00,750 unidentified phenomena data collected by 137 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:03,550 geospatial intelligence signals 138 00:06:09,950 --> 00:06:06,090 intelligence human intelligence and 139 00:06:13,020 --> 00:06:09,960 measurement and signals intelligence 3 a 140 00:06:15,540 --> 00:06:13,030 detailed analysis of data of the FBI 141 00:06:17,339 --> 00:06:15,550 which was derived from investigations of 142 00:06:19,830 --> 00:06:17,349 intrusions of unidentified aerial 143 00:06:23,070 --> 00:06:19,840 phenomena data over restricted United 144 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:23,080 States airspace number four a detailed 145 00:06:28,649 --> 00:06:25,570 description of an interagency process 146 00:06:32,010 --> 00:06:28,659 for ensuring timely data collection and 147 00:06:33,810 --> 00:06:32,020 centralized analysis of all unidentified 148 00:06:35,909 --> 00:06:33,820 aerial phenomena reporting for the 149 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:35,919 federal government regardless of which 150 00:06:40,770 --> 00:06:37,690 service or agency acquired the 151 00:06:43,290 --> 00:06:40,780 information number five identification 152 00:06:44,969 --> 00:06:43,300 of an official accountable for the 153 00:06:48,270 --> 00:06:44,979 process described in paragraph four 154 00:06:51,330 --> 00:06:48,280 number six identification of potential 155 00:06:53,430 --> 00:06:51,340 aerospace or other threats posed by the 156 00:06:56,070 --> 00:06:53,440 unidentified aerial phenomena to 157 00:06:57,689 --> 00:06:56,080 national security and an assessment of 158 00:07:00,270 --> 00:06:57,699 whether this unidentified aerial 159 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:00,280 phenomena activity may be attributed to 160 00:07:06,300 --> 00:07:03,490 one or more foreign adversaries number 161 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:06,310 seven identification of any incidents or 162 00:07:10,620 --> 00:07:08,530 patterns that indicate a potential 163 00:07:12,930 --> 00:07:10,630 adversary may have achieved breakthrough 164 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:12,940 aerospace capabilities that could put 165 00:07:17,490 --> 00:07:15,130 United States strategic or conventional 166 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:17,500 forces at risk and number eight 167 00:07:22,649 --> 00:07:19,930 recommendations regarding increased 168 00:07:25,290 --> 00:07:22,659 collection of data enhanced research and 169 00:07:28,110 --> 00:07:25,300 development and additional funding and 170 00:07:31,110 --> 00:07:28,120 other resources the final details 171 00:07:32,210 --> 00:07:31,120 instruct that quote the report shall be 172 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:32,220 submitted in 173 00:07:40,580 --> 00:07:35,730 classified form but may include a 174 00:07:43,130 --> 00:07:40,590 classified annex in quote Wow pretty 175 00:07:45,020 --> 00:07:43,140 interesting right we've got a couple of 176 00:07:47,510 --> 00:07:45,030 elements here that we can pull out and 177 00:07:50,060 --> 00:07:47,520 quickly analyze first let's talk about 178 00:07:53,450 --> 00:07:50,070 that unidentified aerial phenomena task 179 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:53,460 force name-drop this is new I mean last 180 00:07:57,500 --> 00:07:55,530 month researcher John Greenwald brought 181 00:07:59,540 --> 00:07:57,510 attention to statements obtained by 182 00:08:02,150 --> 00:07:59,550 writer Roger Glassell from DoD 183 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:02,160 spokesperson Susan Gogh who stated that 184 00:08:07,070 --> 00:08:04,650 quote the investigation of UAP sightings 185 00:08:10,310 --> 00:08:07,080 by the multi-agency task force is 186 00:08:13,250 --> 00:08:10,320 ongoing in quote multi-agency meaning 187 00:08:15,890 --> 00:08:13,260 the DoD and the US Navy that was really 188 00:08:20,210 --> 00:08:15,900 the first realization of a current UFO 189 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:20,220 task force now we see a UFO task force 190 00:08:25,190 --> 00:08:22,890 mentioned again and we have a name to go 191 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:25,200 along with it one more quick thing about 192 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:27,570 the name of this task force it's 193 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:30,570 mentioned by name twice in this bill but 194 00:08:35,690 --> 00:08:33,330 the name varies slightly each time the 195 00:08:38,990 --> 00:08:35,700 first mention calls it the unidentified 196 00:08:41,149 --> 00:08:39,000 aerial phenomenon task force whereas the 197 00:08:43,790 --> 00:08:41,159 second mention calls it the unidentified 198 00:08:46,370 --> 00:08:43,800 aerial phenomena task force there's a 199 00:08:49,700 --> 00:08:46,380 variation there between phenomenon and 200 00:08:52,340 --> 00:08:49,710 phenomena what does that mean likely 201 00:08:55,090 --> 00:08:52,350 nothing these two words are commonly and 202 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:55,100 incorrectly used interchangeably and 203 00:09:01,190 --> 00:08:58,170 inconsistently in the UFO community so 204 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:01,200 it wouldn't be surprising at all to see 205 00:09:05,870 --> 00:09:03,210 the same issue outside the UFO community 206 00:09:08,090 --> 00:09:05,880 I suspect this is just a simple mistake 207 00:09:10,970 --> 00:09:08,100 I remember seeing this happen all the 208 00:09:13,340 --> 00:09:10,980 time when I work at the UFO media 209 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:13,350 company open minds when others would 210 00:09:17,060 --> 00:09:15,510 write about the company or even when we 211 00:09:18,770 --> 00:09:17,070 would write about the company ourselves 212 00:09:21,530 --> 00:09:18,780 it wasn't uncommon to see 213 00:09:23,390 --> 00:09:21,540 inconsistencies with how the name of the 214 00:09:27,190 --> 00:09:23,400 company was written the name of the 215 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:27,200 company was open minds production yes 216 00:09:35,570 --> 00:09:31,890 production with no sk2 dumb I know but 217 00:09:38,210 --> 00:09:35,580 that's what it was so understandably the 218 00:09:40,610 --> 00:09:38,220 name was routinely written as open minds 219 00:09:42,949 --> 00:09:40,620 productions in the same document or 220 00:09:44,940 --> 00:09:42,959 story where it was correctly written as 221 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:44,950 open minds 222 00:09:51,030 --> 00:09:48,490 human error it happens a lot 223 00:09:52,260 --> 00:09:51,040 I don't point out this discrepancy 224 00:09:54,510 --> 00:09:52,270 because I think there's something 225 00:09:56,910 --> 00:09:54,520 suspicious or conspiratorial going on 226 00:09:58,920 --> 00:09:56,920 with the inconsistency rather I'm 227 00:10:00,870 --> 00:09:58,930 highlighting this issue because it 228 00:10:02,970 --> 00:10:00,880 leaves us not knowing the official name 229 00:10:04,980 --> 00:10:02,980 of this task force is it the 230 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:04,990 unidentified aerial phenomenon task 231 00:10:10,470 --> 00:10:07,510 force or is it unidentified aerial 232 00:10:12,180 --> 00:10:10,480 phenomena task force we won't know until 233 00:10:14,610 --> 00:10:12,190 we have additional official statements 234 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:14,620 there's no telling how long that will 235 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:15,130 take 236 00:10:18,870 --> 00:10:16,690 remember that it took a little while to 237 00:10:21,330 --> 00:10:18,880 get the whole naming discrepancy for the 238 00:10:23,340 --> 00:10:21,340 Pentagon's UFO program figured out so 239 00:10:25,770 --> 00:10:23,350 related to the Pentagon's a chip program 240 00:10:28,620 --> 00:10:25,780 here's a question about this newly 241 00:10:31,860 --> 00:10:28,630 revealed task force is this UAP task 242 00:10:33,780 --> 00:10:31,870 force the current version of a tip you 243 00:10:35,670 --> 00:10:33,790 might remember that when news broke 244 00:10:37,830 --> 00:10:35,680 about the Pentagon's advanced aerospace 245 00:10:39,870 --> 00:10:37,840 threat identification program the 246 00:10:43,170 --> 00:10:39,880 official word was that the program ended 247 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:43,180 in 2012 with the person responsible for 248 00:10:47,670 --> 00:10:45,130 exposing the program's existence a 249 00:10:50,190 --> 00:10:47,680 former director of the program Lewis 250 00:10:52,290 --> 00:10:50,200 Elizondo has always insisted that the 251 00:10:56,010 --> 00:10:52,300 Pentagon's UFO program never ended 252 00:10:58,710 --> 00:10:56,020 so is this task force that program may 253 00:11:00,420 --> 00:10:58,720 be but we don't know Lewis Elizondo 254 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:00,430 currently serves as the director of 255 00:11:04,700 --> 00:11:03,010 government programs and services at to 256 00:11:07,980 --> 00:11:04,710 the Stars Academy of Arts and Science 257 00:11:11,250 --> 00:11:07,990 t TSA issued a press release on June 258 00:11:12,770 --> 00:11:11,260 24th stating that quote the Senate 259 00:11:15,870 --> 00:11:12,780 Select Committee on Intelligence 260 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:15,880 introduced a bill for 2021 that includes 261 00:11:23,070 --> 00:11:19,210 an official public request for a UA P 262 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:23,080 task force input well this makes it 263 00:11:28,860 --> 00:11:25,810 sound like the u AP task force doesn't 264 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:28,870 exist yet that's a little confusing the 265 00:11:31,950 --> 00:11:29,890 wording in the intelligence 266 00:11:34,230 --> 00:11:31,960 Authorization Act for fiscal year 2021 267 00:11:36,570 --> 00:11:34,240 clearly states that the Senate Select 268 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:36,580 Committee quote supports the efforts of 269 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:38,710 the unidentified aerial phenomenon task 270 00:11:43,710 --> 00:11:40,090 force at the Office of Naval 271 00:11:46,710 --> 00:11:43,720 Intelligence unquote the task force not 272 00:11:48,930 --> 00:11:46,720 AE task force and the first thing the 273 00:11:51,450 --> 00:11:48,940 committee is asking for is a quote 274 00:11:53,070 --> 00:11:51,460 detailed analysis of unidentified aerial 275 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:53,080 phenomena data and intelligence 276 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:54,970 reporting collected or held by the 277 00:11:59,550 --> 00:11:57,130 Office of Naval Intelligence include 278 00:12:01,740 --> 00:11:59,560 data and intelligence reporting held by 279 00:12:04,620 --> 00:12:01,750 the unidentified aerial phenomena task 280 00:12:07,170 --> 00:12:04,630 force in quote so these statements make 281 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:07,180 it pretty clear that the UAP task force 282 00:12:12,330 --> 00:12:10,240 is a thing that already exists not 283 00:12:13,890 --> 00:12:12,340 something that is being requested but 284 00:12:16,650 --> 00:12:13,900 will probably get a little clarification 285 00:12:19,410 --> 00:12:16,660 on that issue soon on Thursday June 25th 286 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:19,420 t TSA announced that it would host a 287 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:21,730 special podcast with Chris Mullin and 288 00:12:25,980 --> 00:12:24,010 Luis Elizondo on the topic of the new 289 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:25,990 bill so that's probably a great place to 290 00:12:30,210 --> 00:12:28,210 get more clarification and insight from 291 00:12:32,130 --> 00:12:30,220 these key players involved with a story 292 00:12:34,710 --> 00:12:32,140 the episode you're currently listening 293 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:34,720 to was published on Monday June 29th and 294 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:37,330 T TSA said their podcast episode would 295 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:39,490 drop this week so depending on when 296 00:12:43,020 --> 00:12:41,170 you're listening to this it might 297 00:12:45,090 --> 00:12:43,030 already be out so look for that if 298 00:12:46,620 --> 00:12:45,100 you're interested another element of the 299 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:46,630 intelligence Authorization Act for 300 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:48,970 fiscal year 2021 worth discussing for a 301 00:12:53,790 --> 00:12:51,250 minute is the real guts of the request a 302 00:12:55,530 --> 00:12:53,800 detailed analysis of UFO data and 303 00:12:58,680 --> 00:12:55,540 reports from the Office of Naval 304 00:13:00,990 --> 00:12:58,690 Intelligence the u AP task force and the 305 00:13:03,390 --> 00:13:01,000 FBI who knows what kind of things will 306 00:13:05,460 --> 00:13:03,400 be in that report who knows how long the 307 00:13:08,340 --> 00:13:05,470 O&I has been collecting UFO reports and 308 00:13:10,890 --> 00:13:08,350 data we don't even know when the u AP 309 00:13:12,750 --> 00:13:10,900 task force began and the seemingly 310 00:13:15,300 --> 00:13:12,760 random inclusion of the FBI in this 311 00:13:17,730 --> 00:13:15,310 request is interesting I mean the 312 00:13:20,190 --> 00:13:17,740 request explains that the specific FBI 313 00:13:22,190 --> 00:13:20,200 information in question comes from quote 314 00:13:24,630 --> 00:13:22,200 investigations of intrusions of 315 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:24,640 unidentified aerial phenomena data over 316 00:13:27,180 --> 00:13:26,050 restricted United States airspace 317 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:27,190 unquote 318 00:13:31,890 --> 00:13:29,650 now I'm just guessing here but I assume 319 00:13:34,350 --> 00:13:31,900 they mean investigations of U ApS over 320 00:13:37,140 --> 00:13:34,360 restricted airspace not investigations 321 00:13:39,450 --> 00:13:37,150 of UAP data over restricted airspace as 322 00:13:42,090 --> 00:13:39,460 it says that's probably a typo but 323 00:13:44,790 --> 00:13:42,100 regardless the FBI's been in the UFO 324 00:13:46,860 --> 00:13:44,800 game for a long time including keeping 325 00:13:49,890 --> 00:13:46,870 tabs on UFO researchers as weird as that 326 00:13:51,810 --> 00:13:49,900 sounds but yeah the inclusion of the FBI 327 00:13:54,570 --> 00:13:51,820 in this request as opposed to other 328 00:13:58,350 --> 00:13:54,580 groups like the Air Force or even the 329 00:13:59,970 --> 00:13:58,360 CIA is curiously specific and makes it 330 00:14:02,010 --> 00:13:59,980 seem like the committee is looking to 331 00:14:05,460 --> 00:14:02,020 paint a specific picture in the report 332 00:14:08,250 --> 00:14:05,470 it's requested the focus is obviously on 333 00:14:10,500 --> 00:14:08,260 military most likely with an in-game of 334 00:14:12,990 --> 00:14:10,510 justifying a military funding request 335 00:14:15,569 --> 00:14:13,000 if this were really about getting a full 336 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:15,579 picture of the current UFO su or a 337 00:14:20,310 --> 00:14:18,010 genuine attempt to get to the bottom of 338 00:14:23,129 --> 00:14:20,320 the UFO issue there would be additional 339 00:14:25,850 --> 00:14:23,139 information and participation requested 340 00:14:29,009 --> 00:14:25,860 from organizations like the FAA and 341 00:14:31,319 --> 00:14:29,019 procedures for civilian UFO reporting 342 00:14:34,590 --> 00:14:31,329 would be requested but that's not the 343 00:14:38,129 --> 00:14:34,600 case here this only focuses on the DoD 344 00:14:40,290 --> 00:14:38,139 the Navy and the FBI with specific 345 00:14:41,250 --> 00:14:40,300 wording limited to incidents over 346 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:41,260 restricted airspace 347 00:14:45,900 --> 00:14:43,930 even Chris Mullins and TT SAS public 348 00:14:49,110 --> 00:14:45,910 comments about this are focused on the 349 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:49,120 military quote the potential threat it 350 00:14:54,449 --> 00:14:51,310 poses to our men and women in uniform in 351 00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:54,459 quote and quote in the interest of 352 00:14:58,680 --> 00:14:56,079 national security and our dedicated 353 00:15:01,110 --> 00:14:58,690 military personnel in quote something 354 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:01,120 this request makes abundantly clear is 355 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:03,010 something we've known all along and 356 00:15:08,189 --> 00:15:06,130 that's the absolute mess that exists 357 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:08,199 when it comes to interagency information 358 00:15:14,100 --> 00:15:11,529 sharing it's a cluster there is no 359 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:14,110 centralized ufo-related data system for 360 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:15,970 the federal government and that's 361 00:15:20,189 --> 00:15:17,490 something this committee hopes to change 362 00:15:21,689 --> 00:15:20,199 when we step back from the details of 363 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:21,699 the intelligence Authorization Act for 364 00:15:27,389 --> 00:15:24,490 fiscal year 2021 what do we think we'll 365 00:15:28,980 --> 00:15:27,399 get out of this well based on some of 366 00:15:31,860 --> 00:15:28,990 the ridiculous headlines about this 367 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:31,870 story and seeing the response from many 368 00:15:36,780 --> 00:15:33,610 who clamor for government disclosure 369 00:15:38,730 --> 00:15:36,790 related to UFOs they were more than a 370 00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:38,740 few people who think acknowledgement of 371 00:15:43,379 --> 00:15:40,480 government-held extraterrestrial 372 00:15:45,540 --> 00:15:43,389 technology and knowledge of intelligent 373 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:45,550 extraterrestrials is coming I wouldn't 374 00:15:50,460 --> 00:15:48,250 hold my breath there but many others are 375 00:15:52,139 --> 00:15:50,470 expecting this exercise to result in a 376 00:15:54,150 --> 00:15:52,149 landmark public release of 377 00:15:56,430 --> 00:15:54,160 government-held UFO information and 378 00:15:58,019 --> 00:15:56,440 that's definitely possible but it's a 379 00:16:01,800 --> 00:15:58,029 long road for that outcome to be 380 00:16:03,900 --> 00:16:01,810 actualized first this assumes that the 381 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:03,910 mention groups or agencies possess 382 00:16:08,370 --> 00:16:06,370 worthwhile information and that they 383 00:16:11,129 --> 00:16:08,380 want to share that information with the 384 00:16:12,930 --> 00:16:11,139 committee second although the 385 00:16:15,660 --> 00:16:12,940 instructions state that the report will 386 00:16:17,129 --> 00:16:15,670 be submitted in unclassified form it's 387 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:17,139 at their discretion to put information 388 00:16:22,860 --> 00:16:20,410 in a quote classified annex --an quote 389 00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:22,870 so the public might not see anything 390 00:16:27,150 --> 00:16:25,120 noteworthy at all aside from the usual 391 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:27,160 government UFO documents were used to 392 00:16:31,230 --> 00:16:29,170 seeing these days featuring a few 393 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:31,240 summaries of fighter pilots seeing and 394 00:16:35,819 --> 00:16:33,250 attempting to engage strange things in 395 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:35,829 the sky and finally that's if there's a 396 00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:38,649 report at all this bill still has a long 397 00:16:43,740 --> 00:16:40,959 road ahead the bill was introduced in 398 00:16:46,559 --> 00:16:43,750 the Senate on June 8th and reported on 399 00:16:49,439 --> 00:16:46,569 June 17th it still has to be voted on in 400 00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:49,449 the Senate if it passes there then it 401 00:16:53,850 --> 00:16:51,759 has to pass in the house if it passes 402 00:16:56,519 --> 00:16:53,860 there then it has to be signed by the 403 00:16:59,160 --> 00:16:56,529 president before becoming law if all of 404 00:17:02,490 --> 00:16:59,170 those things happen then the UAP task 405 00:17:04,770 --> 00:17:02,500 force and others have 180 days to 406 00:17:07,140 --> 00:17:04,780 assemble the requested report so 407 00:17:09,210 --> 00:17:07,150 whatever information we the public will 408 00:17:12,929 --> 00:17:09,220 see from this exercise it's still pretty 409 00:17:15,539 --> 00:17:12,939 far out oh and not that it means 410 00:17:18,360 --> 00:17:15,549 but Scopus Labs a company that uses AI 411 00:17:21,210 --> 00:17:18,370 to predict policy outcomes currently has 412 00:17:23,370 --> 00:17:21,220 this bill listed at a 49 percent chance 413 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:23,380 of being enacted I wouldn't put too much 414 00:17:27,929 --> 00:17:25,569 stock into that however just something 415 00:17:29,549 --> 00:17:27,939 interesting I noticed if we look at 416 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:29,559 previous assessments of the UFO 417 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:31,450 situation conducted by the US government 418 00:17:36,659 --> 00:17:34,210 the results haven't been that great for 419 00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:36,669 people wanting some juicy UFO secrets in 420 00:17:41,460 --> 00:17:39,039 fact they're almost never good for the 421 00:17:43,950 --> 00:17:41,470 UFO community the Air Force's Project 422 00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:43,960 Blue Book and the Air Force funded 423 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:47,039 Condon report the CIA's Robertson panel 424 00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:49,690 these things almost always result in the 425 00:17:55,409 --> 00:17:52,559 government essentially saying UFOs 426 00:17:57,630 --> 00:17:55,419 not really anything to this yeah there's 427 00:17:59,520 --> 00:17:57,640 some strange stuff in the sky but we can 428 00:18:01,350 --> 00:17:59,530 identify most of it and the stuff we 429 00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:01,360 can't we probably could if we cared to 430 00:18:05,130 --> 00:18:02,830 look more but it's not a matter of 431 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:05,140 national security so no official 432 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:06,970 statements like this diminish the UFO 433 00:18:11,010 --> 00:18:08,490 topic and the eyes of the public and 434 00:18:13,710 --> 00:18:11,020 well you can see how a seemingly 435 00:18:16,529 --> 00:18:13,720 positive thing can turn negative pretty 436 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:16,539 quickly and looking specifically at the 437 00:18:20,539 --> 00:18:18,370 US Senate there have been plenty of 438 00:18:23,330 --> 00:18:20,549 Senators interested in the UFO topic 439 00:18:26,159 --> 00:18:23,340 Barry Goldwater is a well known example 440 00:18:28,289 --> 00:18:26,169 he was a firm believer in intelligent 441 00:18:29,700 --> 00:18:28,299 extraterrestrial life and he was also of 442 00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:29,710 the opinion that the government 443 00:18:33,910 --> 00:18:32,320 investigates UFOs and keeps that 444 00:18:36,340 --> 00:18:33,920 information secret from the public 445 00:18:37,930 --> 00:18:36,350 he actively attempted to get information 446 00:18:39,550 --> 00:18:37,940 related to the subject but was 447 00:18:42,010 --> 00:18:39,560 unsuccessful because the military 448 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:42,020 informed him that the information he was 449 00:18:45,010 --> 00:18:43,730 requesting was top-secret 450 00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:45,020 then there's former Senate Majority 451 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:47,600 Leader Harry Reid who along with two 452 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:49,850 other senators spearheaded the advanced 453 00:18:54,460 --> 00:18:51,890 aerospace weapons systems application 454 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:54,470 program the precursor to the advanced 455 00:18:58,090 --> 00:18:56,210 aerospace threat identification program 456 00:19:01,540 --> 00:18:58,100 these are programs instigated by 457 00:19:03,790 --> 00:19:01,550 senators and yet we the public didn't 458 00:19:05,410 --> 00:19:03,800 get any of this information in fact 459 00:19:07,030 --> 00:19:05,420 we're lucky we have the little 460 00:19:10,030 --> 00:19:07,040 information about these programs that we 461 00:19:12,370 --> 00:19:10,040 do Harry Reid wanted a tip to be more 462 00:19:14,500 --> 00:19:12,380 hidden than it was he wanted it moved to 463 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:14,510 a special access program making the 464 00:19:18,430 --> 00:19:16,850 information more hidden not more public 465 00:19:20,500 --> 00:19:18,440 we also know that the Defense 466 00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:20,510 Intelligence Agency provided information 467 00:19:24,910 --> 00:19:23,360 from the ATF program to several members 468 00:19:26,980 --> 00:19:24,920 of both the Senate and the house 469 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:26,990 including the late John McCain the 470 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:29,090 majority and minority leaders and 471 00:19:35,530 --> 00:19:32,510 several committees so the Senate and 472 00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:35,540 Congress as a whole or not completely in 473 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:38,240 the dark when it comes to UFOs it's also 474 00:19:43,090 --> 00:19:40,610 been demonstrated that it doesn't matter 475 00:19:46,110 --> 00:19:43,100 how many times they ask the military 476 00:19:49,150 --> 00:19:46,120 will disclose what it wants to disclose 477 00:19:51,790 --> 00:19:49,160 it's great to see UFOs mentioned in the 478 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:51,800 Senate record and it's always good to 479 00:19:56,620 --> 00:19:53,690 see discussions about this topic taking 480 00:19:59,380 --> 00:19:56,630 place at the highest levels but again 481 00:20:02,710 --> 00:19:59,390 historically public knowledge hasn't 482 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:02,720 benefited from these exercises and in 483 00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:05,210 some cases the legitimacy of the UFO 484 00:20:10,450 --> 00:20:07,600 subject has been negatively affected 485 00:20:13,150 --> 00:20:10,460 let's hope that isn't what happens with 486 00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,160 this latest effort I don't know what if 487 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:15,440 anything the public will see from all 488 00:20:19,090 --> 00:20:17,690 this at the very least I hope the 489 00:20:21,790 --> 00:20:19,100 committee is able to implement a 490 00:20:23,710 --> 00:20:21,800 centralized reporting process and an 491 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:23,720 appropriate individual or a group to 492 00:20:29,890 --> 00:20:27,410 oversee that monumental task then maybe 493 00:20:31,780 --> 00:20:29,900 one day the government will have 494 00:20:34,090 --> 00:20:31,790 something worthwhile to share with the 495 00:20:36,550 --> 00:20:34,100 public until they get their in 496 00:20:38,740 --> 00:20:36,560 order they aren't appropriately equipped 497 00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:38,750 to know anything let alone share 498 00:20:48,660 --> 00:20:41,200 revelatory information with the world 499 00:20:52,980 --> 00:20:50,850 well citizens that's gonna do it for 500 00:20:54,510 --> 00:20:52,990 this episode you can always find more 501 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:54,520 episodes of unknown on all the major 502 00:20:58,260 --> 00:20:56,530 platforms like Apple podcasts Google 503 00:21:00,570 --> 00:20:58,270 podcasts stitcher Pandora and 504 00:21:02,250 --> 00:21:00,580 iHeartRadio subscribe on your favorite 505 00:21:04,110 --> 00:21:02,260 podcast platform so you're notified when 506 00:21:05,610 --> 00:21:04,120 we publish new episodes and it would be 507 00:21:07,260 --> 00:21:05,620 awesome if 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